Obama and Hillary/Clinging to Guns/Religion& No New Taxes?

When I listened to the debate last night between Clinton and Obama..Overall thoughts were the following:

Good questions finally.. by the two moderators from ABC News, Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous.

The two candidates abandoned any past pretenses of comity. This time there were no warm handshakes or friendly smiles, and when they praised each other, it was faint and almost grudging. She pounded him with the word “bitter,” and he countered with bittersweet — bringing up the cookie remark

Clinton hit as hard as she might dare given that she must not offend the Super Delegates.. heard she lost 3 anyway that were offended with her part in the debate..?? She mentioned his associations with a couple of weathermen…now professors..I might add he was asked about this first. So it gave HC the perfect opportunity

Obama hitbackwith the baking cookies comment she made in 92 and B.Clinton pardoning two Weathermen before leaving office.

She was assertive and certainly not bashful in her comments. He seemed annoyed as he sought to answer questions about his pastor, his reluctance to wear an American flag pin on his lapel and his association in Chicago with former members of the Weather Underground, a radical group that carried out bombings in the 1960s that were intended to incite the overthrow of the government


 Both said they would not raise taxes, Clinton says ya gotta make 250,000 or over to have your taxes raised..Obama tried to say same but then said needed more looking into.. perhaps 97,000 and up.. just had to look into it.. Mrs. Clinton appeared, for the most part, confident and in control, particularly when the discussion moved to such questions as how the two candidates would respond to an attack by Iran on Israel. Both Clinton and Obama said they would not raise taxes on middle class Americans — those making less than $200,000 to $250,000 a year — though Mr. Obama, pressed by a questioner, acknowledged that he had said he was open to making more income below that threshold subject to the Social Security payroll tax. They also had differences on the capital gains tax; Mrs. Clinton said that if she were to raise it from its current 15 percent level, it would not be to above 20 percent, while Mr. Obama said he would consider raising it as high as 28 percent.

Clinton says we cannot choose our families but we can choose our pastors…Clinton would withdraw troops within 60 days…Obama 16 months… Both would use their power to be the Pres over any General..while they would listen to their advice… Clinton thinks she can handle the Repubs better than Obama cuz she has had her baggage rummaged for years and knows how to handle it… He says he can handle it..they both think it is too early to decide on who should be their VP. Loved their smiles when asked if they would run together as a team. HC said yes,yes yes, (somewhat annoyed) but she would be the better candidate when asked if she would support Obama if nominated.. and of course Obama said he would support HC. and he would be the best one for the ticket. 

On the tax issue. HC says she will put people to work creating jobs..infrastructure and such.. Don’t remember how Obama would raise the money to pay for college educations, health insurance and all that jazz..

The rich in each party must have nearly fainted at the revelation that the denizens of small towns in Pennsylvania and other states have absolutely no concern for the rich’s ability to acquire servants from Mexico at a reasonable price.

Overall, interesting.. if I did not know much about either, their voting records, where they stand  On the issues ..which you can see on my sidebar by clicking the issues. (Of course, I may need to check it out again..sounds like a lot of pandering for votes or do I detect they are abandoning some of their former positions in this debate?) I would think they were for keeping our guns..(at least for hunting, is that what they did in Australia?) protecting us with a strong defense and restoring love to our country from others..that they would whip our economy into shape… the middle class really is important to look after their interests and HC is sorry for embellishing her story on Bosnia and as far as Obama..What does it matter with whom you associate with.. and so it goes….Oh, I would be excited about the no new taxes for the middle class..since I am quite a way off from Hillary’s 250,000..and Obama’s is really yet to see..but now for the bar has been raised..will he top it or stay within it?

Of course, there are still many questions not asked..including the border question and illegal immigration.

It really does not matter who you associate with or my goodness, who mentors you..it only matters when it is brought up and you have to defend your position which is wrong in any candidates view..  

In regard to mentoring, there was this interesting post Obama Mentor ‘Communist’ Did not hear them ask about Frank Davis, perhaps it was because both candidates have mentors of the same persuasion?  Now neither of these mentors makes them communists. But you will have to admit, it is very interesting as I hear all the time how we are influenced by those around us and with whom we hold in high regard. Or just maybe High Disregard…hopefully.

Here is a link from Aurora of the Midnightsun


Obama had been so careful until now, “framing” his message as “change” — rather than partial birth abortion, driver’s licenses for illegal aliens, tax hikes, socialized medicine and abandoning mandatory minimum prison sentences for federal crimes.

His message is “change” — Ya know his wife has not been proud to be an American for most of her life.

Clinging to Guns and Religion
As the battle for the Democratic nomination continues, Barack Obama is facing criticism from remarks he made last week at a San Francisco fundraiser. When describing small town voters’ frustrations with tough economic times, he said:
“So it’s not surprising, then, that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations”

Obama has since described the remarks as “clumsy” perhaps it revealed a lot more..

 No doubt, these voters are insulted by the national media’s implication that small-town residents aren’t smart enough to grasp issues beyond Sen. Barack Obama turning down coffee, his terrible bowling or the number of times Hillary Clinton has been duck hunting. Just call me a Red Neck! Think there is a country song about a Red Necked woman…whoo hoo!

Wonder why the anti-immigrant remark above was not addressed or did I miss it? To be fair, it should have said ANTI ILLEGAL ALIENS.. Just saying… of course, I am not considered to be one of the PC crowd. They would have you believe we don’t like immigrants..to which I say..if you are gonna say what we think…tell it like it really is. As far as trade goes…well, what did they say they were going to do about it? Are they going to try to get rid of Nafta? Are they part of the one world globilization crowd or not? Just wondering….

Liberals will tell you the 2nd Amendment says, “…The Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”, doesn’t guarantee the Right to bear arms because the preamble to the 2nd Amendment says, “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state…”

 source below:Bassey Etim

 Liberals should be strident defenders of the right to bear arms. The long-term threat the government we empower poses to our individual liberties is too great to ignore. The final safeguard against tyranny — our collective right to revolution — cannot be considered intact among an unarmed population.

Of course, our collective conscience demands an answer for the lives senselessly lost to gun violence. It’s easy to construct a law restricting gun ownership, but we can’t delude ourselves into thinking this will end  violence.

Anti-gun advocates are correct to say many nations with far lower crime rates have more restrictive gun laws. But the United States has a different organizational mission — to be principled stalwarts for liberty. If we abandon the founding intent of our nation, America will lose its ideological soul and become vulnerable to totalitarians who monopolize power to capitalize on some popular fear. The ultimate power in our nation lies with citizens. And if our ballot boxes are corrupted and our democratic institutions defunct, we have a moral obligation to free ourselves,

Most conservatives claim liberals encourage tyranny through government by forcing the promulgation of bureaucracy and government-administered aid. Rather, we are safeguarding our common humanity. The guns safeguard our common liberty.

source above:Bassey Etim

IMO, it is the beginning of the end when we the people do not have the right to bear arms.. We are kidding ourselves if we think for one minute that the ‘bad guys’ won’t have access to them. Take this liberty take another..and on it goes… a never ending saga until ‘we the people’ cease to have any power over our lives.

None of the candidates (McCain included) have great records regarding gun control. Hillary says she will address this soon on her site. Updated, I am sure. It’s a tricky walk to make when you try to please those would change our Bill of Rights and Constitution and those that embrace and hold dear their revolutionary documents.

Quotations on Gun Control

“The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”  –Samuel Adams

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.  Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”  — Benjamin Franklin, 1759 

“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”  — Patrick Henry 

“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA – ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State.”  — Heinrich Himmler

“This year will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration!  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”   — Adolph Hitler

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”  — Thomas Jefferson





On the subject of faith Expelled 
Ben Stein is playing with fire by releasing Expelled a new satirical documentary highlighting the fact that the debate seems to be over on how the Earth was created. Stein says about the movie:
‘I mean, we basically say it’s very hard to believe that something came from nothing and that we don’t understand that where gravity came from, we don’t understand where the laws of physics or thermodynamics or fluid motion came from, we don’t understand how life came from a mud puddle when there was one that was mud and the next day there was life and then a few billion years later there was man. How did that happen? No Darwinist has ever been able to come close to an explanation.’
Stein says the movie is quite possibly the most expensive documentary ever made, so you can go expecting movie quality scenes. Stein is also not holding his breath for any awards—which usually seem to be given out for topic rather than quality.