Obama and Hillary/Clinging to Guns/Religion& No New Taxes?

When I listened to the debate last night between Clinton and Obama..Overall thoughts were the following:

Good questions finally.. by the two moderators from ABC News, Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous.

The two candidates abandoned any past pretenses of comity. This time there were no warm handshakes or friendly smiles, and when they praised each other, it was faint and almost grudging. She pounded him with the word “bitter,” and he countered with bittersweet — bringing up the cookie remark

Clinton hit as hard as she might dare given that she must not offend the Super Delegates.. heard she lost 3 anyway that were offended with her part in the debate..?? She mentioned his associations with a couple of weathermen…now professors..I might add he was asked about this first. So it gave HC the perfect opportunity

Obama hitbackwith the baking cookies comment she made in 92 and B.Clinton pardoning two Weathermen before leaving office.

She was assertive and certainly not bashful in her comments. He seemed annoyed as he sought to answer questions about his pastor, his reluctance to wear an American flag pin on his lapel and his association in Chicago with former members of the Weather Underground, a radical group that carried out bombings in the 1960s that were intended to incite the overthrow of the government


 Both said they would not raise taxes, Clinton says ya gotta make 250,000 or over to have your taxes raised..Obama tried to say same but then said needed more looking into.. perhaps 97,000 and up.. just had to look into it.. Mrs. Clinton appeared, for the most part, confident and in control, particularly when the discussion moved to such questions as how the two candidates would respond to an attack by Iran on Israel. Both Clinton and Obama said they would not raise taxes on middle class Americans — those making less than $200,000 to $250,000 a year — though Mr. Obama, pressed by a questioner, acknowledged that he had said he was open to making more income below that threshold subject to the Social Security payroll tax. They also had differences on the capital gains tax; Mrs. Clinton said that if she were to raise it from its current 15 percent level, it would not be to above 20 percent, while Mr. Obama said he would consider raising it as high as 28 percent.

Clinton says we cannot choose our families but we can choose our pastors…Clinton would withdraw troops within 60 days…Obama 16 months… Both would use their power to be the Pres over any General..while they would listen to their advice… Clinton thinks she can handle the Repubs better than Obama cuz she has had her baggage rummaged for years and knows how to handle it… He says he can handle it..they both think it is too early to decide on who should be their VP. Loved their smiles when asked if they would run together as a team. HC said yes,yes yes, (somewhat annoyed) but she would be the better candidate when asked if she would support Obama if nominated.. and of course Obama said he would support HC. and he would be the best one for the ticket. 

On the tax issue. HC says she will put people to work creating jobs..infrastructure and such.. Don’t remember how Obama would raise the money to pay for college educations, health insurance and all that jazz..

The rich in each party must have nearly fainted at the revelation that the denizens of small towns in Pennsylvania and other states have absolutely no concern for the rich’s ability to acquire servants from Mexico at a reasonable price.

Overall, interesting.. if I did not know much about either, their voting records, where they stand  On the issues ..which you can see on my sidebar by clicking the issues. (Of course, I may need to check it out again..sounds like a lot of pandering for votes or do I detect they are abandoning some of their former positions in this debate?) I would think they were for keeping our guns..(at least for hunting, is that what they did in Australia?) protecting us with a strong defense and restoring love to our country from others..that they would whip our economy into shape… the middle class really is important to look after their interests and HC is sorry for embellishing her story on Bosnia and as far as Obama..What does it matter with whom you associate with.. and so it goes….Oh, I would be excited about the no new taxes for the middle class..since I am quite a way off from Hillary’s 250,000..and Obama’s is really yet to see..but now for the bar has been raised..will he top it or stay within it?

Of course, there are still many questions not asked..including the border question and illegal immigration.

It really does not matter who you associate with or my goodness, who mentors you..it only matters when it is brought up and you have to defend your position which is wrong in any candidates view..  

In regard to mentoring, there was this interesting post Obama Mentor ‘Communist’ Did not hear them ask about Frank Davis, perhaps it was because both candidates have mentors of the same persuasion?  Now neither of these mentors makes them communists. But you will have to admit, it is very interesting as I hear all the time how we are influenced by those around us and with whom we hold in high regard. Or just maybe High Disregard…hopefully.

Here is a link from Aurora of the Midnightsun


Obama had been so careful until now, “framing” his message as “change” — rather than partial birth abortion, driver’s licenses for illegal aliens, tax hikes, socialized medicine and abandoning mandatory minimum prison sentences for federal crimes.

His message is “change” — Ya know his wife has not been proud to be an American for most of her life.

Clinging to Guns and Religion
As the battle for the Democratic nomination continues, Barack Obama is facing criticism from remarks he made last week at a San Francisco fundraiser. When describing small town voters’ frustrations with tough economic times, he said:
“So it’s not surprising, then, that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations”

Obama has since described the remarks as “clumsy” perhaps it revealed a lot more..

 No doubt, these voters are insulted by the national media’s implication that small-town residents aren’t smart enough to grasp issues beyond Sen. Barack Obama turning down coffee, his terrible bowling or the number of times Hillary Clinton has been duck hunting. Just call me a Red Neck! Think there is a country song about a Red Necked woman…whoo hoo!

Wonder why the anti-immigrant remark above was not addressed or did I miss it? To be fair, it should have said ANTI ILLEGAL ALIENS.. Just saying… of course, I am not considered to be one of the PC crowd. They would have you believe we don’t like immigrants..to which I say..if you are gonna say what we think…tell it like it really is. As far as trade goes…well, what did they say they were going to do about it? Are they going to try to get rid of Nafta? Are they part of the one world globilization crowd or not? Just wondering….

Liberals will tell you the 2nd Amendment says, “…The Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”, doesn’t guarantee the Right to bear arms because the preamble to the 2nd Amendment says, “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state…”

 source below:Bassey Etim

 Liberals should be strident defenders of the right to bear arms. The long-term threat the government we empower poses to our individual liberties is too great to ignore. The final safeguard against tyranny — our collective right to revolution — cannot be considered intact among an unarmed population.

Of course, our collective conscience demands an answer for the lives senselessly lost to gun violence. It’s easy to construct a law restricting gun ownership, but we can’t delude ourselves into thinking this will end  violence.

Anti-gun advocates are correct to say many nations with far lower crime rates have more restrictive gun laws. But the United States has a different organizational mission — to be principled stalwarts for liberty. If we abandon the founding intent of our nation, America will lose its ideological soul and become vulnerable to totalitarians who monopolize power to capitalize on some popular fear. The ultimate power in our nation lies with citizens. And if our ballot boxes are corrupted and our democratic institutions defunct, we have a moral obligation to free ourselves,

Most conservatives claim liberals encourage tyranny through government by forcing the promulgation of bureaucracy and government-administered aid. Rather, we are safeguarding our common humanity. The guns safeguard our common liberty.

source above:Bassey Etim

IMO, it is the beginning of the end when we the people do not have the right to bear arms.. We are kidding ourselves if we think for one minute that the ‘bad guys’ won’t have access to them. Take this liberty take another..and on it goes… a never ending saga until ‘we the people’ cease to have any power over our lives.

None of the candidates (McCain included) have great records regarding gun control. Hillary says she will address this soon on her site. Updated, I am sure. It’s a tricky walk to make when you try to please those would change our Bill of Rights and Constitution and those that embrace and hold dear their revolutionary documents.

Quotations on Gun Control

“The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”  –Samuel Adams

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.  Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”  — Benjamin Franklin, 1759 

“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”  — Patrick Henry 

“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA – ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State.”  — Heinrich Himmler

“This year will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration!  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”   — Adolph Hitler

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”  — Thomas Jefferson





On the subject of faith Expelled 
Ben Stein is playing with fire by releasing Expelled a new satirical documentary highlighting the fact that the debate seems to be over on how the Earth was created. Stein says about the movie:
‘I mean, we basically say it’s very hard to believe that something came from nothing and that we don’t understand that where gravity came from, we don’t understand where the laws of physics or thermodynamics or fluid motion came from, we don’t understand how life came from a mud puddle when there was one that was mud and the next day there was life and then a few billion years later there was man. How did that happen? No Darwinist has ever been able to come close to an explanation.’
Stein says the movie is quite possibly the most expensive documentary ever made, so you can go expecting movie quality scenes. Stein is also not holding his breath for any awards—which usually seem to be given out for topic rather than quality.




  1. […] Angie put an intriguing blog post on Obama and Hillary/Clinging to Guns/Religion& No New Taxes? […]

  2. Obama is broken, not Washington! We the people just have to get over this bump in the road! 🙂

    Welcome, and come again..and I am sure we will all be relieved when the election is over. Maybe not so happy with it but at least we won’t have to be subjected to as much…but then again ya never know…May be another bump in the road.

  3. We are taxed to death already, please no new taxes!

    Welcome, I too hope they stick to it..It will be interesting to see what happens.

  4. I don’t understand what Hillary and Obama have to argue about. If you look at their issues side by side, they are almost the same. A few details here and there won’t make much difference once Congress becomes involved.

    Angie:Agree with you on that one.

    “Ya know his wife has not been proud to be an American for most of her life.”
    I’m still not proud to be an American. I never understood how I could be proud to be something that I didn’t earn and had no choice in whatsoever. I like living here, but if I was French I’d probably like living there too. I’m thankful I live here considering what other countries do to people, but proud? I wouldn’t say that… Why is this patriotic rhetoric so important? It really means less than nothing.

    Angie:I am very proud of America, we are generous as a people and I am grateful that we had and have Men and Women who will fight for our liberties. I did not have a personal choice either in living here, somehow I believe I was supposed to be born here just as much as many others may think everything is by chance. I believe the scripture ‘I knew you before you were formed in your mothers womb’ and many others. I love the fact that our forefathers and my ancestors perhaps yours too were a part of the Revolutionary war with the most powerful Nation on earth at that time. I am proud that my ancestors and perhaps yours took part in the Civil War, and I could go on and on. I am proud to be an American. It means a lot to me.

    Guns don’t bother me. If you want them, go ahead. Are people really wanting guns so they can overthrow the government? How would that work exactly?

    Angie:While I do not think machine guns, assault weapons are necessary I do believe we should have the right to bear arms for many reasons..protecting one’s self, family & property for sure.

    And all of a sudden a quote by Thomas Jefferson should be looked to for wisdom? What about, “The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.”-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

    So sometimes Jefferson is cool, and sometimes he’s not?

    Angie:I love quotes especially when they attest to what I am writing about. Jefferson was a great man and cool..however there are many good and great men who are sadly blinded to the truth of the Gospel. The word says, it is foolishness to them that are perishing.

    Sorry Duh, messed up with the bold italics, so had to insert name, still not 100 % up and at them.

  5. Yay!! You’re back!! Hope you are feeling much better!

    Excellent summary. I could only bear to watch parts of it. When I heard OB dismiss his associates and deflect by saying he was 8 and that was 40 years ago, then bring up BClinton’s pardons, I wondered how many would realize how ofeten he has that type of response. He never addresses the question, only rearranges the context. Now there’s a columnist in LA writing about how the moderators were racist??? (AmericanThinker) An entire term of race this and race that? NO THANKS!

    Hillary told reporters last weekend, basically, that how often she goes to church is none of their biz—thank God she didn’t divulge her belief system!!

    Good work, TnT!! Love & Hugs and happy to see you throwing out loaded posts again! 😉

    I thought it was about time that he was asked those questions from reporters. GS and C.G. are getting a lot of heat put on them by the left such as MoveOn site, They are being bombarded with petitions,hate mail and of course, email.
    Sadly our choices are really slim for this election.. Not much difference at all between HC and Obama. McCain is strong on defense, has experience for sure but I don’t like his positions on many things..
    I am getting better every day..I do have to watch it as this last one really got to me.. Yuk!
    Love and hugs

  6. I’m so glad you are better Ang, I’ve missed ya!

    You said something on my blog that must be repeated and it is said so well when talking about how much America has HELPED the world:

    “You would think that we would be loved or at least respected by them for our help..ya know I think many of them do but are under the yoke of PC. and of course, our media wants us to believe we are evil and that the world hates us. Many of them do, we are a unique Republic with a radical constitution and bill of rights.The elites of the world would bring us down as they sure don’t want their country infected with such an attitude.

    Until journalists start reporting without their obvious slant on the news and bias and the station owners have no agenda except the facts maam..we will have their views as stats show we are easily swayed and too many times uninformed.Until we stand for something, we will fall for anything..can’t remember where I heard that but it stuck..”

    Who are the people who send food and medical supplies everywhere around the world? Who sends people into help educate and provide a better life for others? Who sends money over seas that provides jobs to people who were starving but now have a chance to live in relative comfort?

    I don’t support President Bush on many issues but does anyone know what kind of aid he has provided to Africa to help wipe out AIDS? And where and from whom did that money come from? US

    Who are collectively the most giving people on earth? Americans, it is just plain truth.

    Thank you my friend.. I am getting better everyday. Just have to use some common sense..kinda hard for me..:) LOL!

    I did a post today on American Generosity and Media Bias kinds off the cuff. Don’t like the look of it but all I can do right now. The study and facts are there. Yes we are the most giving people according to the stats. It is the plain ole truth.
    Hugs to ya

  7. “Who are collectively the most giving people on earth? Americans, it is just plain truth.”

    If it’s the plain truth, you’ll easily be able to provide some link or source for this statement.

    “Until journalists start reporting without their obvious slant on the news and bias and the station owners have no agenda except the facts maam..we will have their views as stats show we are easily swayed and too many times uninformed.”

    Since almost every news outlet in this country is owned by a major corporation that gets huge tax breaks from Republicans, what exactly is their reasons for being biased against the right?

    Journalists often complain that they aren’t allowed to run stories that affect the bottom line of the company that runs the news department.

    Explain to me why you think anyone at the news dept. would be slanted left?

    Can’t explain why anyone in the news dept. would be slanted left or right..I can certainly guess or have an opinion but don’t know if that would be fair. I have included a post on American Generosity and The Media Bias.Much too long to comment here.

    You will see the sources there. Personally, I cannot understand but I am sure there is a motive somewhere beneath their veneer.

    I do believe there is some responsible journalism out there but we have to look hard and examine it. The UCLA study shows the slants. It does not address why. If I ever know I will be sure to post on it. I would be very interested.

    As far as the bottom line..you can bet they want the Profit to be high..nothing wrong with that unless it is a lie. So maybe that would be the first place to look when one has time.. Power would be the second imo. Suppose too, you would have to know their backgrounds and something about their character to understand them.

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