Obama worked with Terrorists

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 Since we are not hearing much or any media coverage about the infamous personal ties with Obama, I again bring to you more questionable acquaintances that he seems to have connections with.

 Okay, We have heard about Larry Sinclair, Communist mentor Davis, the Rock Star image, all former posts. Now let’s look at his record with a known domestic terroist, Two former Weathermen terroists one that J.Edgar Hoover called the most dangerous woman in America. Together they made the FBI’s 10 most wanted list.

Hey, the list goes on and on, where is the News about this? Well, I guess Obama is too much of a media darling and perhaps they too want our country to go down the tubes. After all, they have never held back a good story in the past, whether true or not they brought it to our attention at least through journalistic investigation and reporting. I guess those days are going going gone….Unless they want to bring you down.

 Senator helped fund organization that rejects ‘racist’ Israel’s existence
Sources: Aaron Klein WorldNetDaily

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 JERUSALEM The board of a nonprofit organization on which Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a “catastrophe” and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens.
 
The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made
statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.


 
In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Khalidi’s wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.
 
Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund’s website.  According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2001.
 
Obama served on the Wood’s Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971.
 
Ayers, who still serves on the Woods Fund board, contributed $200 to Obama’s senatorial campaign fund and has served on panels with Obama at numerous public speaking engagements. Ayers admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s.  He is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
 
The $40,000 grant from Obama’s Woods Fund to the AAAN constituted about a fifth of the Arab group’s reported grants for 2001, according to tax filings obtained by WND.  The $35,000 Woods Fund grant in 2002 also constituted about one-fifth of AAAN’s reported grants for that year.
 
The AAAN, headquartered in the heart of Chicago’s Palestinian immigrant community, describes itself as working to “empower Chicago-area Arab immigrants and Arab Americans through the combined strategies of community organizing, advocacy, education and social services, leadership development, and forging productive relationships with other communities.”
 
It reportedly has worked on projects with the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, which supports open boarders and education for illegal aliens.
 
The AAAN in 2005 sent a letter to New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson in which it called a billboard opposing a North Carolina-New Mexico joint initiative to deny driver’s licenses to illegal aliens a “bigoted attack on Arabs and Muslims.”
 
Speakers at AAAN dinners and events routinely have taken an anti-Israel line.
 
The group co-sponsored a Palestinian art exhibit, titled, “The Subject of Palestine,” that featured works related to what some Palestinians call the “Nakba” or “catastrophe” of Israel’s founding in 1948.
According to the widely discredited Nakba narrative, Jews in 1948 forcibly expelled hundreds of thousands – some Palestinians claim over one million – Arabs from their homes and then took over the territory Historically, about 600,000 Arabs fled Israel after surrounding Arab countries warned they would destroy the Jewish state in 1948. Some Arabs also were driven out by Jewish forces while they were trying to push back invading Arab armies. At the same time, over 800,000 Jews were expelled or left Arab countries under threat after Israel was founded.The theme of AAAN’s Nakba art exhibit, held at DePaul University in 2005, was “the compelling and continuing tragedy of Palestinian life … under [Israeli] occupation … home demolition … statelessness … bereavement … martyrdom, and … the heroic struggle for life, for safety, and for freedom.”
 
Another AAAN initiative, titled, “Al Nakba 1948 as experienced by Chicago Palestinians,” seeks documents related to the “catastrophe” of Israel’s founding.  
 
A post on the AAAN site asked users: “Do you have photos, letters or other memories you could share about Al-Nakba-1948?”
 
That posting was recently removed.  The AAAN website currently states the entire site is under construction.
 
Pro-PLO advocate held Obama fundraiser, describes Obama as ‘sympathetic’
 
AAAN co-founder Rashid Khalidi was reportedly a director of the official PLO press agency WAFA in Beirut from 1976 to 1982, while the PLO committed scores of anti-Western attacks and was labeled by the U.S. as a terror group. Khalidi’s wife, AAAN President Mona Khalidi, was reportedly WAFA’s English translator during that period.
 
Rashid Khalidi at times has denied working directly for the PLO but Palestinian diplomatic sources in Ramallah told WND he indeed directed WAFA. Khalidi also advised the Palestinian delegation to the Madrid Conference in 1991.
 
During documented speeches and public events, Khalidi has called Israel an “apartheid system in creation” and a destructive “racist” state.  
 
He has multiple times expressed support for Palestinian terror, calling suicide bombings response to “Israeli aggression.” He dedicated his 1986 book, “Under Siege,” to “those who gave their lives … in defense of the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon.” Critics assailed the book as excusing Palestinian terrorism.
 
While the Woods Fund’s contribution to Khalidi’s AAAN might be perceived as a one-time run in with Obama, the presidential hopeful and Khalidi evidence a deeper relationship.
 
According to a professor at the University of Chicago who said he has known Obama for 12 years, the Democratic presidential hopeful first befriended Khalidi when the two worked together at the university. The professor spoke on condition of anonymity. Khalidi lectured at the University of Chicago until 2003 while Obama taught law there from 1993 until his election to the Senate in 2004.
 
Khalidi in 2000 held what was described as a successful fundraiser for Obama’s failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, a fact not denied by Khalidi.
 
Speaking in a joint interview with WND and the John Batchelor Show of New York’s WABC Radio and Los Angeles’ KFI Radio, Khalidi was asked about his 2000 fundraiser for Obama.
 
“I was just doing my duties as a Chicago resident to help my local politician,” Khalidi stated.
 
Khalidi said he supports Obama for president “because he is the only candidate who has expressed sympathy for the Palestinian cause.”
 
Khalidi also lauded Obama for “saying he supports talks with Iran. If the U.S. can talk with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, there is no reason it can’t talk with the Iranians.”
 
Asked about Obama’s role funding the AAAN, Khalidi claimed he had “never heard of the Woods Fund until it popped up on a bunch of blogs a few months ago.”   
 
He terminated the call when petitioned further about his links with Obama.  
 
Contacted by phone, Mona Khalidi refused to answer WND’s questions about the AAAN’s involvement with Obama.
 
Obama’s campaign headquarters did not reply to a list of WND questions sent by e-mail to the senator’s press office.
 
Obama, American terrorist in same circles
 
Obama served on the board with Ayers, who was a Weathermen leader and has written about his involvement with the group’s bombings of the New York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.
 
“I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in an interview released on Sept. 11, 2001
 
“Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,” Ayers wrote in his memoirs, titled “Fugitive Days.” He continued with a disclaimer that he didn’t personally set the bombs, but his group set the explosives and planned the attack.
 
A $200 campaign contribution is listed on April 2, 2001 by the “Friends of Barack Obama” campaign fund. The two taught appeared speaking together at several public events, including a 1997 University of Chicago panel entitled, “Should a child ever be called a ‘super predator?‘” and another panel for the University of Illinois in April 2002, entitled, “Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?”
 
The charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance.
 
Ayers is married to another notorious Weathermen terrorist, Bernadine Dohrn, who has also served on panels with Obama. Dohrn was once on the FBI’s Top 10 Most Wanted List and was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the “most dangerous woman in America.” Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 murder and robbery that left 4 people dead.
 
Obama advisor wants talks with terrorists

 
The revelations about Obama’s relationship with Khalidi follows a recent WND article quoting Israeli security officials who expressed “concern” about Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.
 
Malley, a principal Obama foreign policy adviser, has penned numerous opinion articles, many of them co-written with a former adviser to the late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, petitioning for dialogue with Hamas and blasting Israel for numerous policies he says harm the Palestinian cause.
Malley also previously penned a well-circulated New York Review of Books piece largely blaming Israel for the collapse of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations at Camp David in 2000 when Arafat turned down a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and eastern sections of Jerusalem and instead returned to the Middle East to launch an intifada, or terrorist campaign, against the Jewish state.Malley’s contentions have been strongly refuted by key participants at Camp David, including President Bill Clinton, then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and primary U.S. envoy to the Middle East Dennis Ross, all of whom squarely blamed Arafat’s refusal to make peace for the talks’ failure.To interview Aaron Klein, contact M. Sliwa Public Relations by e-mail, or call 973-272-2861 or 212-202-4453.

 

 

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  1. wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptBarack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a “catastrophe” and supports intense immigration reform, … Read the rest of this great post here Posted by […]

  2. What a pathetic piece of garbage. Now Obama is accused of working with terrorists? So what happened? The Israelis did NOT know this when they invited Obama to Israel for a brainwash session? Ha!

    ATW

    You are welcome to your opinion ATW. As for me and my house and my blog, I would like to have more information, Truth stands up to scrutiny and a little investigation from the media would certainly help put all this to rest now would it not? Brainwash session huh? Sounds to me like Obama sheep may have been brainwashed.

  3. “…Obama sheep may have been brainwashed.”

    You’re assuming they have brains Angie. 😉

    “After all, they have never held back a good story in the past…”

    Now the only good stories are ones that shaft Conservatives, they do let ones about their pets through as well, but only when they can’t ignore it any longer.

    MK, You are right. I assumed, LOL! That particular commenter has a very Anti Israel site.. Why did I not guess?
    Yes, it is funny how they get right on top of a story if it suits their purposes. If not, well, seems they don’t think the public has a right to know.

  4. Angie, it seems you’ve done your homework. The Left get all the more worked up the more truth you post.
    Obama is great news for the Islamists. They’re all supporting him in the U.S. And that along with the Obamamania phenomenon you posted on last night make for a very dangerous molatov cocktail.

    Yes indeed Aurora. Sometimes truth is painful to those who do not want to hear. We, the American people deserve to know the truth. We are not sheep to be led blindly off the cliff if we had News Media doing their job invesitgating t and at a minimum informing us.

  5. Is this blog for real? If you were really worried about terrorist connections you would be looking at Bush-Cheney.

    I see looking at the recent posts you have some type of sick obsession with Obama. Are you sacred of the black man?

    This is just a another tread blog I have been seeing since Obama became the front runner for President.

    This next election will be about fear and hate and wonder if this country is ready for the truth about itself.

    Last time I checked, this blog was for real. I don’t particularly care for some of the policies of Bush-Cheney, however with that said, we have not had an attack on our soil under his watch since the Trade Center vanished from our landscape.

    Obsession with Obama? I am more than concerned that the Media IMHO is not doing it’s job and reporting on this.There will be more posts on Obama and the other candidates as I learn more. I am afraid they may not be too flattering. From looking at your blog, you seem to value truth as you see it, so why would you not want it investigated and reported on?

    I certainly hope the next election will not be about fear and hate, We do need truth and we do need to be heard.
    This country has it’s problems, I will grant you that. To me and many others America is still the best country in which to reside.

  6. Angie…

    Thanks for clearing up that 9/11 happened on George’s watch since some people seem to think it happened on Clinton’s.

    I agree the media is not doing their job and were sleep and did not look into the George or Cheney’s pasts or their lies going into the Iraq war.

    Trust me the corporate run media will go after Obama.

    Actually, Clinton and Bush share that. I believe in being proactive and prosolution. There is enough blame to go around for 9/11. Let’s not repeat the same mistakes we made in allowing it to happen.

    Glad we agree on something. Hope you are right about the Media in going after the truth with all the candidates. Fairly. Their record has not been good so far.

  7. This is an interesting story and worth more investigating. I don’t know anything about the terrorists that Obama supposedly worked with, but I’m not terribly upset by the fact that he would work with them. It’s a small world after all, and politicians come in contact with many people. Republicans and Democrats on both sides have had their run ins. Remember the famous picture of Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein? The Iran-Contra scandal? Bush’s failed oil ventures financed by the Carlyle Group (members of which are family members of Osama bin Laden)?

    And who’s to say that whatever they were working on isn’t something worthwhile. Just because someone who is considered a “terrorist” thinks that something is a good idea, doesn’t necessarily make it a bad idea.

    There is a fundamental difference between how conservatives and liberals view terrorism and how they should be dealt with. I don’t think that working with someone who has done bad things is a bad idea especially if it may lead to more bad things happening. Attacking them and shunning them is not always the answer.

    And for those that will attack what I say, remember this:
    Terrorists is what the big army calls the little army.

    You are right Duh,though I feel it bears investigation, we heard and saw the Rumsfield photo, also knew about the Bush ties, Iran Contra. Hard to understand why we are not hearing about some of these stories concerning Obama from Mainstream. What other candidate have we had running for the highest office in the land where their (Obama) said Mentor Frank Davis is communist. They would be all over it. That is on another post. Also the Larry Sinclair post. I cannot imagine that not being all over the news even if they said before investigation that it was alleged.

    Again I agree that there is a fundamental difference in not only how it is viewed and dealt with. A lot depends on the facts on that I suppose. I would like to think trying to negotiate is good. These guys view that as weakness, which is sad in my opinion.

    Love the last statement, “Terrorists is what the big army calls the little army.” I think our army would be hard to beat in regular warfare, as we can see, the little army does not operate in the same manner. Also the question is what kind of defense forces will we have with certain polliticians in office. I tell you the truth..I am not happy with any of them. What else is new?

    Thanks for visiting over here, your comments are always appreciated.

  8. I meant to say in that third paragraph “fewer bad things happening”.

    Knew what you meant, girlfriend you don’t want to see all my typos. No fun if we have to worry about all that.

  9. Is this blog for real? If you were really worried about terrorist connections you would be looking at Bush-Cheney.

    Whatever is whispered about Bush-Cheney, Obama’s transgressions can be shouted, they’re so obvious. You haven’t argued the facts in Angie’s post. All you can ask is if ‘this blog is for real’. You’re so typical of the idiot left who fling mud on my blog as well. Nothing substantial to say and trying to shoot down the messenger.

    This next election will be about fear and hate and wonder if this country is ready for the truth about itself.

    You’ve got that right. But unfortunately the ‘truth about itself’ is that it’s eaten away by the cancer of leftism like so many other countries in the west.

    ‘the cancer of leftism’ What an accurate way to describe the left Aurora. Thanks

  10. Hey Ange,
    Good post, which brought up some very questionable activities about Obama. I suppose it’s possible that there is nothing to them – one isn’t always who they associate with – however, the fact that none of this surfaces in the mainstream press is highly suspect. I mean for cripes sake the NYT was willing to print a story about McCain that had no substantive evidence whatsoever – I assume, hoping to discredit him right after they endorsed him for the candidacy.

    I’m sure the Clintons are going through tourettes syndrome, knowing they can’t expose it for fear of looking like racists or something.

    And no worries, you won’t convert any Obama-ites. They have been entranced by his ability to build castles in the air. They don’t want to wake up from the dream. Reality is too hard to face. Sad, really.

    Annie

    Ya got that right WC.” I’m sure the Clintons are going through tourettes syndrome, knowing they can’t expose it for fear of looking like racists or something.” Love this statement.ROFL!

  11. Can someone define leftism for me so I can understand what you guys are fighting against exactly?

    So far the commenters have been referring to the far left of politics. Bordering on socialism if not already there. You can of course be on the left without being a socialist, but far left is what this has been about.

    Everytime I see that commercial about the car “Duh” I think about you girl.

  12. So Socialism = Cancer. And which countries are being eaten away?

    I’m sorry to ask so many questions. I just don’t like to assume what someone is trying to say.

    As a figure of speech, yes.
    Much of the west has lost a lot of liberties that we take for granted. The U.K. Australia, The E.U. Midnight Sun has a lot of information and MK views that are on my blog roll. They do a lot of international news especially on U.K. and Australia that you would find very interesting. They started out much like us and now most are a shell of what they were.

    It’s o.k. to ask questions,I don’t pretend to have all the answers. Wish I did.

  13. Duh, I’m right with you. I do try to keep up with politics, but like I told Angie before: Some of the terms are too difificult for me~I’m only in Kindergarten ya know?! LOL! Maybe one day I will be promoted up a grade or three-LOL!

    Hey Mercedes, I barely made first grade. So what if we don’t know all the terms.. I’m hoping to pass the first grade.LOL! maybe we can be in same class. Dang, I be bad in citizenship..can’t keep my mouth shut, so you would be in trouble along with me. Of course we could try to pass notes..:)

  14. LOL! In middle school, my friends and I learned sign language-just the abc’s. we were so good at it and hoped none of the boys knew it! We “talked” away! I’m glad I learned it now because we have a deaf janitor! I know he appreciates it and newer teachers sometimes come to me to translate for them-hehe.

    That is wonderful! I wish I had learned it for many reasons but just think how much trouble I would have been spared. All that writing, I will not talk in school a 100 times. No wonder my hand hurts today!LOL! 🙂

  15. It’s just that I’ve often heard people say how horrible Socialism is, but then when I ask them to explain what it is, they can’t. Sometimes they have a general idea and they tell me that. Sometimes their definition is way off base, but we are in total agreement on how awful their idea of Socialism is. LOL.

    I’m not sure what you mean about a “shell of what they were”. I mean, you equate leftism to cancer, and then blame them for taking away civil liberties when from what I’ve seen the right has been much more likely to take away civil liberties based on their moral code (which can sometimes be a little…off). I thought that’s why the right hates the ACLU so much. For picking the “wrong” people to protect.

    Anyway, back to the Obama story. It’s so hard to tell what’s true or what’s biased that I’ve pretty much given up on all the news outlets. I just read history books and try to figure out the “facts” (which are pretty few and far between) and make my political decisions based on that. Even the history books are biased though (usually written by leftist commie intellectual elitists, hehehe). What’s a girl to do?

    Shucks, I thought that cancer was a neat way to describe it Duh. 🙂 When I said shell of what they were. They have Big Brother (government control big time) breathing down their neck. They are not allowed guns to defend themselves while the criminals run amok. A judge in Germany recently allowed Sharia (Islamic)law to take precedence over their law in the case of a couple where the woman was beaten. I cannot see Sharia law taking the place of our Law here but then many of their citizens could not either.
    Too long here to share all of what is happening. It just seems we are all too politically correct anymore. Thats another post but at one time laws seemed to be based on justice and common sense. I cannot say that anymore.

    I totally agree that we are losing some of our rights. It has been said that it is temporary but you and I know how that works.
    I am not a fan of ACLU. I don’t feel it is because (at least in my case) they have picked the wrong people to protect, I believe all need to be protected,)However,when I think of 7 year olds being suspended for kissing a little girl. Wearing a Jesus shirt to school or a child writing a paper on the greatest person in history being Jesus and reprimanded for it. They have lost common sense in my opinion and the children have paid the price with reverse discrimination.

    The news outlets just pump out what they want us to hear again imo, This is why I think we have so many bloggers that are frustrated. They need to get back to Journalism with unbiased reports. Americans need the truth and deserve to have stories investigated when it comes to anybody being blasted most especially when they are running for the highest office in the land.

    I heard last night that 54% of college students did not know much of our history. Sad, but you are right. A lot of history in the last decade for sure has been challenged. I have always loved history and that old saying, “if you don’t know your history you are doomed to repeat it” is probably not too far off.

  16. It’s funny that you brought up that German case. I was talking with my Christian Conservative in-laws about something like that. They are all for Christian based everything because this country is based on “Christian values”. I tried to explain to them that they are actually opening themselves up to future problems. Right now, the majority of Americans are Christians. So if we allow the majority religion to be interwoven into our gov’t, what happens if Christianity is not the dominant religion in 50 or 100 years? In Europe, the Muslim population is growing exponentially in countries that are, like us, dominantly Christian. In a few years, they well could be in the majority. Would it be OK for the Muslims to then start forcing their religious beliefs on everyone else? I think most Christians wouldn’t like it.

    It’s hard to imagine this country being predominantly Muslim, but if you read a lot of history, stranger things have happened. I think that’s why history is important. It helps you to see what’s best now, may not work out so well in the future.

    I think it’s interesting that you think the concept of political correctness is strictly a liberal ideal. Ever try telling someone you are an atheist? Immediately your opinion doesn’t matter and you are a horrible disgusting shell of a human being. My personal opinion on terrorism is different from the mainstream, and when I’ve dared to mention any sympathies with “terrorists” I’ve been called horrible names and accused of being “unAmerican”. So I think the political correct street runs both ways.

    I brought up the german case because if Sharia law were the norm, since Christians are infidels to Islam, we would have to convert or be beheaded. One of the ways that the west is not thinking of the future, as they are growing as you said. The U.K. has become a hotbed of radical moslems. No, I for one would not like to lose my head. LOL!

    I think the forefathers knew what they were doing with Freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. If that is not changed in the future, then all faiths no matter their numbers would be protected. Not so in many Islamic countries.

    In my experience most PC has been from the far left. I do know that there are radicals within the whole spectrum. There are those that claim they are christian and do horrible things. However they are not doing what Yeshua Jesus taught. My christianity stems from a personal relationship one of those ‘born again’ believers that are made fun of actually. My allegiance is to Yeshua Jesus rather than an institution. I do not mean to imply church is not important. It is very much to me. I sin every day..not bragging about it, just a fact. I would have no hope at all if it were not for His sacrifice. As such, Who am I to dare to condemn another for his or her choice? We all have to take responsibility for our own actions, and that goes for seeing others as individuals on their own merit. As a believer, I should be seeing each individual as one that God made, equally loved by Him. Have to admit, I fail there many times miserably.

    As far as ‘terroists go, this blog so far has referred to the Islamic terroists that feel it is their mission to destroy us and our way of life. There are other terroists that come in many names. They are just as bad. So I have no sympathy for any terroist that seeks harm to another and would blow up innocent people or kidnap them behead them..etc: I think you may be referring to sympathy perhaps for their cause.

    Yes, I believe as your conservative in laws do about this one thing, that our laws were inspired by a just and holy God, that our country was and still is to me, the greatest country to reside with freedoms that I believe again were built on Christian values. With that said, True Christian values would not call anyone ‘horrible names’ for their choice of belief or non belief. One of my favorite sayings is from a book I read many years ago by Corrie Ten Boom ‘The Hiding Place’ : “just because a mouse gets in the cookie jar does not make him a cookie”. 🙂

  17. When I have sympathy for “terrorists” , I’m not excusing there behavior at all. Thanks for not jumping on me for that one! Haha. But if you define a terrorist as someone who “seeks harm to another and would blow up innocent people or kidnap them behead them..etc” than it I think you’d be hard pressed to find ANY country that has not aided this definition of terrorism. By your definition, the men who dropped the bomb on Hiroshima were terrorists! I don’t think that is what you meant at all. I just have a problem when people act like what “they” do to us is bad, but what we do to them is always justified because we are the best, damn it! If we are justified (we as in the U.S) in attacking to protect our interests, are they justified in attacking to protect their own?

    That’s one of the reasons I always ask people to define what they are talking about. If you say for example, “I have no sympathy for people who blow up innocent people”, then do you have no sympathy for American G.I.’s who blow up innocent people either? I believe in this country that’s called collateral damage. It’s very easy to stick a label on someone. If you have to define that label first, things start getting sticky.

    I would have to disagree with you on our country being built on Christian values. Some of the founding fathers weren’t Christians at all. I’m a little offended (shame on you for not being PC! haha) by the notion that just because something is morally right that it is automatically a “Christian” value. I’ve heard the argument that the first settlers in the U.S. were coming here to escape religious persecution, and that’s what our country’s background is based on. That argument is pretty weak though since as soon as the different groups got here they delighted in condemning each other. Seems that they didn’t disagree with religious persecution so much…they just thought that THEY should be the ones doing it!

    Your last quote is a good one, and I’ve heard variations of it about Christians. “Oh if they feel that way they aren’t really a Christian.” I’ve tried to be a Christian. I’ve tried REALLY HARD to reconcile the Bible with it’s followers, and I’ve always been disappointed. The way I interpret the Bible is much different than every main stream preacher I’ve heard. And it seems like they all interpret it the same way which makes me think that they are worshipping their own interpretations instead of what it actually says. So since I think 50 gazillion Christians must not be wrong, I must not be a Christian. I’m not talking about the little details either. I mean, the meat and potatoes of Christianity.

    I’ll save some of this stuff for another thread… haha

    Sorry I have been away for quite a while.

    You have a good point about countries protecting their interests. I do think the U.S. has usually, note I said usually had proper motivation for retaliation. My view of history has been the U.S. has generally accomplished much good in the world. I do not believe we need to be a police state for the world, however sometimes I think that too has been necessary.

    I can certainly see what you mean about” I’ve tried REALLY HARD to reconcile the Bible with it’s followers,” I think we will be disappointed very much of the time. My grandfather used to give my grandmother a hard time with going to church because of that and her response was “I would rather sit in church with them than burn in hell with them.” I found this funny when I was very young but I have found it to have some wisdom. Being that we are to follow Yeshua vs man. Let’s face it. none of us are perfect and will not be until we are as I believe with Jesus in resurrected form.

    I believe if one really searches with an open mind and heart that His word is true: That we will find Him. I do not pretend to know and understand everything, I know when I first came to know Him I was as a baby born spirtually and knew no more than a baby might in this physical world. As I read and prayed for understanding He gave me what I needed for then, what is it? We have to learn to crawl before we can walk and drink milk before we have teeth to chew meat with just as in this world.
    I think you will know if you are a Christian. You cannot compare yourself with others. I just hope to get out of Kindergarten.:)

    I don’t mean to offend you or anyone but I do believe the majority of founders were Christian and while one can certainly have morals without being a Christian, I believe many of our founding fathers wisdom in laying the groundwork for our country was based on Christian values. Again I have heard although I do not know how one could know such a thing that as few as 40% of church members were christian.If that is or were true, it would explain quite a lot. ha ha, Again, if I have road rage (hope not) or cuss (I have been known to) someone might say that I am not a Christian and I know that I am. There will always be those who judge us for their own standards. So with all that said, I hope your journey to Him is Blessed.

  18. Just yesterday I saw a Clinton campaign ad asking the question about why the Media is not reporting on Obama, with question mark in place behind the question. No response from Obama himself. Of course, he and his campaign staff don’t hesitate with a comeback on anything else asked or statement made that they feel needs retaliation. Clearly they jump at some things.

    Maybe 50 mil recently pouring into the Obama side goes a lot farther than a straight campaign,eh? I mean it is, well, campaign money, right? Just my thoughts.

    I am starting to hear from a couple of news media asking the big WHY not? It will be interesting to see if they go as far with him as they do the others.

    55 Mil, yeah, Can you believe it? love just your thoughts..:)

  19. “I don’t mean to offend you or anyone but I do believe the majority of founders were Christian and while one can certainly have morals without being a Christian, I believe many of our founding fathers wisdom in laying the groundwork for our country was based on Christian values. ”

    Fortunately history is not a faith-based institution. It doesn’t matter that you believe they were Christians. A lot of them weren’t. Read about the lives of Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Paine. These were men that fought long and hard for the freedoms we enjoy today, and they weren’t Christians. James Madison, though he considered himself a Christian, would hardly have been tolerated by today’s Christian Right.

    I’ve read your posts and comments to others on this blog, and I don’t see any insight here. All I see is dogma. You said, “I know when I first came to know Him I was as a baby born spirtually and knew no more than a baby might in this physical world. As I read and prayed for understanding He gave me what I needed..” I’m sure in that time you probably listened to the teachings of older, wiser Christians too. So you read the bible with certain things in your mind already. Things that imperfect man put there.

    Baby Christians have questions that can’t be answered truthfully. So big adult Christians have to pass down the stuff that they heard to make it all seem OK. In this way, the baby Christian grows to see the light and matures into a Christian able to explain away everything that is wrong with Christianity.

    Or in other words…brainwashing.

    I have read the works of Paine, Jefferson and Franklin. Again, I said majority. There are many others that had something to do with this great nation.

    Sorry if my beliefs and comments are not to your liking. That is what makes the world so interesting is it not? Dogma. Perhaps if that is what I believe. I love our free speech and free thinking. How cool is that?

    As far as my spiritual birth. I was not raised in church. I did have a wonderful Grandmother that was a great example and role model for me. But I have to tell you, I read the bible on my own, perish the thought, I may not know much but I know this and I would die for the truth of it. That God loved us enough to send His son that we all might live and have everlasting life. I just happen to believe that His word is life and truth. I may not be correct on many things as I think we shall grow and hopefully learn until we die.

    I try to acknowledge those who take the time to comment on this blog whether I agree with them or not. Everyone has a right to their opinion and these are mine. So be it.

  20. Larry Sinclair has thus far failed to produce a single viable piece of evidence. Is it any wonder nobody in the mainstream media wants to risk their career and credibility covering this farce?

    Legally and morally, the burden is on Sinclair to prove his allegations, not on Obama to disprove them. Larry Sinclair knows this, but he is banking (quite literally) on the fact that the court of public opinion operates quite differently than a court of law, and isn’t making any substantial effort to prove his accusations. He knows that it’s hard to prove you DIDN’T do something, and is rallying the ignorant under this pretense to send him contributions (and any other number of other ‘fundraising’ activities of questionable legality).

    I’ve been trying to get Mr. Sinclair to response to questions on his blog (simple ones, like “If you think Obama’s phone records would prove you right, why don’t you provide your phone records, they should work just as well, right?” ), but the blog is so heavily moderated that not one single real question can get through, and apparently even his own worshipers are now having a hard time posting due to overaggressive comment deletion.

    I know several people who’ve tried to ask questions of Mr. Sinclair, but that is apparently not allowed on his blog, despite the fact that his blog clearly states “You may comment on any post, regardless of your position. However, please note that any and all abusive, threatening and vulgar comments and emails will result in your user name, email address and IP address being posted regardless and without the posters permission. You have been warned.” .

    Small wonder, huh? The guy who wants to force Obama to answer his questions will not answer anyone else’s 🙂

    I personally would love it if someone in the media just exposed this guy for the fraud he is. I’d watch that episode for certain, and I’m sure the advertisers would be well pleased by the number of viewers 😉

    I am sure the advertisers would indeed be well pleased with the ratings..


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